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High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

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High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

From: oldhounder (oldhounder@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-01-18 17:40:09 UTC
High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

`Geocaches' have been mistaken for terrorism devices.

By Christopher Smith, Associated Press, appearing in The Herald,
Bradenton, FL
Wednesday, January 18, 2006
Reproduced by Oldhounder

Boise, Idaho In a game of global positioning called geocaching, the
lowly treasure hunt has gone high-techbut it can also be a game of
risk when terrorism-sensitive authorities find the goods first.

Scot Tintsman found that out when he stashed a green bucket under an
Idaho highway bridge last September, intending to fill it with goodies
for other players to find using Global Positioning System units. But
before he could finish adding the requisite trinkets and log books and
posting its GPS coordinates on the Internet, a bridge inspection crew
found it.

Rounding a corner on his motorcycle to finish rigging his cache, he
was greeted by a barricade of police cars and a bomb squad. He
struggled to explain the misunderstanding.

"I got off my bike and three officers approached me very cautiously,
hands on their holsters," he said. "I was trying to turn off my MP3
player and I think they were worried I was going for a detonator."

Tintsman and other geocachers play the game this way: Participants
stash a vessel of some sort containing goods as a reward for the
person who finds the "cache," as it is known. The person or group
hiding the cache posts the hiding place's GPS coordinates on the
Internet. People who find the cache are expected to take something
from it and replace it with something else.

In November, a geocache outside a police station in Provo, Utah, met a
bomb squad as its fate. It contained a toy gun, holster and nightstick.

In June, a bomb squad in De Pere, Wis., used a robot-mounted shotgun
to blast the lid off a suspicious looking military ammunition box
found in a park. It also turned out to be a geocache.

Many geocachers fear the pastime could be banned in some areas because
of the scares caused by ill-advised cache placements. A "Geocacher's
Creed" posted on the Internet asks participants to "avoid causing
disruptions or public alarm."

Even when geocachers cause public alarm, severe criminal repercussions
appear to be rare.

Tintsman, whose geocache sat high above the whitewater of Idaho's
Payette River, was charged with placing debris on public property, a
misdemeanor punishable by six months in jail and a $300 fine.

Tintsman said he is still avidly geocaching but with a better
awareness of how it might look in a post-Sept. 11 landscape.

"I wasn't thinking about terrorism when I placed it under the bridge.
I was thinking about making the most extreme cache possible," he
said. "I just got carried away."





Re: [LbNA] High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

From: matolutacikala (matoluta@cmc.net) | Date: 2006-01-18 09:58:18 UTC-08:00
"Tintsman, whose geocache sat high above the whitewater of Idaho's
Payette River, was charged with placing debris on public property, a
misdemeanor punishable by six months in jail and a $300 fine."

What is the city's definition of "debris"? Are we all in jeopardy of having a fine imposed upon us?

One of the letterboxes we found in a state park was also part of a geocache in a military ammunition box. Even though we knew what it was, it was unnerving to find it.






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Re: High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

From: Poison Ivy (poizniv@gmail.com) | Date: 2006-01-18 18:11:03 UTC
>treasure hunts keep authorities on edge<

Great story. And SO true.

I've been called out of the woods and bushes a couple times by
authority figures (and before you say anything, I WAS letterboxing).

I should make that a count too.





Re: [LbNA] Re: High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

From: bret bridwell (dekulink69@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-01-18 10:24:50 UTC-08:00
ok we will take your word on that point. lol
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Re: [LbNA] High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

From: (LundyandVickster@aol.com) | Date: 2006-01-18 13:36:42 UTC-05:00
matolutacikala wrote:
One of the letterboxes we found in a state park was also part of a geocache in a
military ammunition box. Even though we knew what it was, it was unnerving to
find it.

Funny you should mention that. Just the other day I found a geocache that was in an ammo container (which is not unusual) and it had explosive stickers still on it. I envisioned the ruckus it was going to cause when an ordinary muggle stumbled across it.





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Re: [LbNA] High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

From: Doc (coolwan@zoomtown.com) | Date: 2006-01-18 17:26:32 UTC-05:00
LundyandVickster Wrote:

Funny you should mention that. Just the other day I found a geocache that was in
an ammo container (which is not unusual)


Yes, It's very unusual.

I am at 7893 Cache finds. I have placed over 170 caches on both Geocaching.com
and Navicache.com. I have had at one time over 200 letterboxes placed. Ammo
boxes are becoming rare. In all of my cache finds only 11 of them were in
Ammo boxes.

Most State parks and County parks do not let you place them anymore. I am the
contact for my county on both hobby's. No ammo boxes are to be placed in our
county parks.

Most states have laws on placing stuff in domain area's (I.E. Road Sides) so
yes, Fines and jail time for that is now a big possibility. We look at our hobby
as fun, Most people who do not are looking at our boxes as trash. Road side
placements without permission is in fact trash.

I'm I happy about this? No I am not but you have to adapt tp keep the hobby
going. We started helping our parks because we did not want permits in the
parks, We tried to talk about road side caches and were rejected.



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Re: [LbNA] High-tech treasure hunts keep authorities on edge

From: cadenza74 (jjcadenza@gmail.com) | Date: 2006-01-18 23:26:03 UTC

I have been waiting for things like this to happen more. I think it
is something we all need to be mindful of as we hide our boxes.

As for ammo containers, I don't think they should be used at all. In
England they used to use military paraphernelia, but it was eventually
banned since Dartmoor also uses the area for military drills and
children could pick up active shells thinking they were
letterboxes--definitely not good.

Here I don't think that would be as specific of a concern, but I can't
believe someone would have the stupidity in this day and age to plant
something in a site that could be prone to terrorists or something
like a fake gun outside of a police station as the article said. I
can just see them thinking about what a fun little pun it would be and
not even imagining that it might cause panic or alarm. We have to
think before we plant--whether it be a cache or a LB!

just my little rant! I don't want to see a wonderful hobby banned
because of the stupidity of a few!

Cadenza